111 Comment(s)

1. Noah | Apr 16, 2008 | Reply

   Crazy.

   This is an excellent post and the first time I found your blog.

   I have never heard of Belcher before this but you’re right more and more marketers pushing the envelope for sure. He’s certainly “linked” into the crowd of some of the bigger players.

   I was discussing this in my forum and its interesting because after reading the 4 hour work week I immediately investigated getting into the sale of supplements.

   Writing copy for the sale of vitamins and supplements is a whole different ball game and this is one envelope being pushed to extremes all over the place… Such as where the secret ingredients are coming from etc..

   As for writing ebooks and products claiming to be a Medical Professional, thats just wrong and this guy got what was coming to him.

2. TexasGuy | Apr 16, 2008 | Reply

   I was an affiliate for his company Selmedica. Considering that he stopped paying affiliates back in Summer 2007, I was actually glad to see him arrested on *something*. He still owes me over $7,000 which I doubt I will see, but I have informed law enforcement in TN about his practice of not paying affiliates. I have a feeling they are inundated with similar emails, and Belcher may be up for a lot more charges. Even if he doesn’t go to jail (I think he will – and for a while), I know a lot of people who may be calling him up looking for their money. He might prefer jail.

3. Pennsylvania Senior | Apr 16, 2008 | Reply

   Well, it is about time that some action has been taken on the deceptive marketers. I know nothing about Perry Belcher nor his products nor websites. But I do know about a great number of internet marketers that have conned the internet public with promises and promising to answer questions you may have regarding their software or products they are promoting. When you do send them an e-mail. requesting assistance, the answer you get is, ‘follow the instructions’ If I understood the instructions, technical terminology, I wouldn’t be seeking assistance.

   There is so much Fraud (I think that would be the term) on the internet especially regarding lottery winning, inheritance etc. I wish something would be done about these. However, more of these state that they are from other countries, Mainly the ones I get are from UK. In fact, when to go to the United Kingdom to check on these sources, you are told that there are so many of them, they cannot be listed.

   It is a sad state of affairs when people get the feeling that no one can be trusted and everyone is out to rip you off.

4. anherbalist | Apr 17, 2008 | Reply

   My opinion of what he did.. he would find small herbal businesses with products that sold well, copy their formulas, sell them for twice as much with professional looking web sites, and spent a fortune on advertising. Some of the products actually worked, but he messed up with false “experts”, credit card fraud, and not taking care of customer complaints. Must be a nut! He could have had a great thing going if he had just followed the “rules” and not gone overboard. The BBB has been after him for years because of numerous complaints.

5. Alan | Apr 18, 2008 | Reply

   The name of Perry Belcher’s company speaks volumes as to his marketing style:

   “Perry M. Belcher Companies, Gotcha Marketing…”

   Source – the Shelby County Sheriff’s press release.

6. Mike Young | Apr 21, 2008 | Reply

   Noah,

   Glad you found your way to the blog and liked what you saw. Stop by any time.

   Re: your comment. The nutritional supplement industry is so heavily regulated by the federal government that it is just begging for trouble to bend/break the rules when selling them. Protecting public health is always a winner for law enforcement and bureaucrats, particularly in an election year. Belcher apparently gambled one too many times and lost.

   Best wishes,

   -Mike

7. Mike Young | Apr 21, 2008 | Reply

   TexasGuy,

   Sorry to hear about your loss. Unfortunately, many Internet marketers forget that affiliates are a large part of their success and decide not to pay them what is due.

   Hope you’re able to collect your affiliate commissions through either criminal restitution or at least through a civil action.

   Best wishes,

   -Mike

8. Mike Young | Apr 21, 2008 | Reply

   Pennsylvania Senior,

   You hit a nerve when you mentioned the U.K. Although I know some very reputable Internet marketers who live across the Atlantic, some of the nastiest Internet pirates I’ve dealt with also live there. They respond with an anti-American snobbery as if it entitles them to steal web content and info products from American online entrepreneurs. It’s really a shame.

   Best wishes,

   -Mike

9. Mike Young | Apr 21, 2008 | Reply

   Anherbalist,

   If what law enforcement alleges is true, the Belcher saga reminds me of the saying, “Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered.”

   Without a moral compass, some Internet marketers simply get too greedy without understanding the legal implications of breaking the law.

   Best wishes,

   -Mike

10. Mike Young | Apr 21, 2008 | Reply

    Alan,

    Good catch on the company name. Wonder if it represents Belcher’s intent or if he unconsciously chose it to reflect what he’s been accused of doing.

    Regardless, it certainly won’t look good to a judge or jury.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

11. Hope Masao | Apr 22, 2008 | Reply

    I have been using Belcher’s Selmedica co. thyroid supplement for a long time and its a shame that even health sites were promoting his illegal tapped herbs, probably filled with ashes in the capsules and getting people at risk for more health issues. This issue was prolonged too long and the feds should have seen this along time ago, But that is the way it goes. Thank God I am still breathing

12. Tommy | Apr 23, 2008 | Reply

    Yeah, it a shame.

    And what’s even worse now… [name redacted] (an Internet marketer) is doing some kind of deal with Perry Belcher.

    [name redacted] has been making some reports available on Driving Traffic and what they are calling ‘Wholesale Traffic’.

    This is probably a lead up to a product launch or something, ’cause that’s what all these guys do these days.

    In the reports and on the site he’s calling Perry Belcher ‘Mr. X’. It doesn’t take much to link the two together, especially if you know the two and have heard them both speak.

    I posted a message to [name redacted] blog about his involvement with Perry, and asking why he was supporting and basically promoting this behavior.

    But [name redacted] is ‘Moderating’ his blog so no one can post any bad and/or negative comments.

    I’m sure the State of Texas will be a bit interested in this as well.

    Moderator Comment: The Internet marketer’s name was redacted because, to date, there has been no lawsuit, arrest, or other evidence to support the accusation. If such occurs, the marketer’s name will be reinstated to this post. Note that Belcher is presently not in any position to be doing any Internet deal with this or any other Internet marketer.

13. Tommy | Apr 23, 2008 | Reply

    Here’s where it gets even worse…

    It appears that they are, or have, created a product that teaches people how to drive traffic and sell people $17 20 pages ebooks using the same techniques and strategies.

    It a shames.

    — My Post To Ryan’s Blog —

    On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:02 AM, WordPress

    Comment:
    Ryan Deiss…. I’m ashamed of you. I know you’re a marketer, and I thought you were one of the true Christian.

    As a marketer… I know, you jump at the chance to make money. Can’t blame you for that.

    As a Christian… One would think you would want to surround yourself with, and do business with people who are ‘true’ – and have a since of strong moral values.

    Case and Point: Mr ‘X’ aka ‘Perry Belcher’.

    This guy is a ‘total’ fraud.

    Perry Belcher Jailed:
    http://www.shelby-sheriff.org/press_releases/lakelandbusinessmanarrested.asp

    Mike Young Law:
    http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2008/04/16/perry-belcher-the-arrest-of-an-internet-marketer/

    Rip Off Report:
    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/265/RipOff0265812.htm

    About.com
    http://thyroid.about.com/b/2007/08/28/more-bad-news-and-warnings-about-the-secret-cure-for-hypothyroidism-scam.htm

    And these are just a few of the sites.

    I have purchased product from you and Perry Belcher in the past. I have also heard you each speak, so putting the two together didn’t take much time.

    And I’m sure the State Of Texas (where I reside) will be interested in knowing the you are marketing material (or plan to) based on Perry Belcher and his scam.

    I really liked you. I thought you were one of the few ‘honest’ guys in the internet marketing area.

    — Ryan Response To Me —

    —– Original Message —-
    From: Ryan Deiss
    To: Tommy
    Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:16:29 AM
    Subject: Re: [Wholesale Traffic System] Please moderate: “Download “Product Splintering” Special Report”

    Tommy,

    Normally I wouldn’t respond to these kinds of things personally, but since you called my integrity into question (along with my faith) I felt that a personal reply was appropriate.

    For the record, Perry Belcher is a friend and a good guy, and what’s being done to him by the state of Tennessee is not right at all. Ask anyone who’s in business and they’ll tell you that stuff like this happens to people who don’t deserve it all the time, and in this case they came after Perry.

    Their claims that he operates an “illegal” manufacturing company is 100% false. The fact is, the guy’s lab is fully registered with the FDA. The state simply didn’t understand the distinctions between homeopathic registration and pharmaceutical registration, which shows their ignorance. The fact is, ALL of his products were and are approved by the FDA. Again, the state was looking for pharmaceutical approvals and didn’t realize that there are different levels of FDA approvals. Pharmaceutical is the highest, but there are 5 other levels beneath that that the FDA regulates.

    Likewise, their claims that he pretended to be a licensed medical professional are also false. On his ebook sites he called himself a “medical researcher,” which is not a licensed profession in any state.

    There are a lot of things that can be said about this, but just know that almost no one (including Mike Young) knows much of anything about this case. Perry and I are friends. He’s a good guy and a good father and I’ll stand by him.

    As for the About.com lady, she is a disgruntled competitor who was mad that Perry was beating her in the PPCs. Perry was actually filing motions against her for libel when all this stuff with the state went down.

    The Rip-Off Report is the worst of all. Do some research on that guy and you’ll see that he’s been indicted by just about every AG in the country. He’s in the business of extortion, and he’s literally fled overseas so he can continue running his illegal business.

    In the end, things aren’t always as they seem. If you have more questions I’ll be glad to answer them, but in the future please don’t be so quick to call someone’s faith into question when you don’t have all sides of the story.

    -Ryan

    — My Response Back To Ryan —

    I agree with you ‘In the end, things aren’t always as they seem’…

    I’ve done a bit of research, and taken the time to pick up the phone and call a few folks. I did not dive into this without a bit of thought and a plan.

    I didn’t just wake up and jump on some bandwagon.

    Some things are ‘just’ wrong…

    If he’s done nothing wrong, why are most, if not all of his sites selling these $17 medically researched report closed down. And why are affiliates complaining about not getting paid. If you do just a little research you’ll find a bunch of affiliates complaining about not getting paid.

    Here are a few ‘more’ of his sites that have closed down:
    http://www.licex.com/
    http://www.stanchions4less.com/
    http://www.lawnfungustreatments.com/
    http://www.selmedicaaffiliates.com/
    http://www.hardwoodrenew.com/
    http://www.bitterlicks.com/
    http://www.fungrxforpets.com/
    http://www.parvoguard.com/
    http://www.groutrenu.com/
    http://www.thwartbugbedrepel.com/
    http://www.mrmagneticsigns.com/

    One of the few sites that I could still find operating is:
    http://www.carbonlessforms.com

    I totally understand and appreciate that he can drive traffic, and that traffic is the life-blood of any business.

    The problem I have is the ‘Value’ proposition, and the ‘Reason Why’… Is there true value in the product and/or service? Is it for an honest purpose?

    Heck, he and you (I think) admittedly said that he used PLR type products and a host of Philippines writer to create these $17 short ‘medically researched’ reports, that by most accounts are ****.

    Then there’s the recurring billing thing…

    Look, if it looks like a skunk, and walks like a skunk, it’s going to smell like a skunk.

    I understand and appreciate the fact that Perry’s your friend. We all have friends that we’re not too proud of at times.

14. Mike | Apr 23, 2008 | Reply

    I have been telling everyone about this for a long time. It is about time this so called internet marketing experts get what’s due. They outsource their operations to the philippines and lay off everybody here and get cheap poisons(not medicine) from china and who knows what’s inside those things. Something is out of synch if we glorify these guys

15. anherbalist | Apr 23, 2008 | Reply

    What is a shame is that people like him give all “herbalists” a bad name. There are a lot of herbal remedies that work better that prescription medications,and a lot of mom and pop herbal businesses that consider customer satisfaction the cornerstone of their businesses. Before you buy on the internet, check out bbb.org to see if complaints have been filed on a company and how they weere handled. In my case, ten years and no complaints – that is how you run a business!

    Prescribed medications cause over 100,000 deaths annually, so they are all about profit as well.

    Mike, it is nice that you actually participate in your blog, Thanks!

16. del | Apr 23, 2008 | Reply

    Because of the lies and misrepresentation that Perry Belcher wrote about on the Selmedica website, I believed what I read and ordered the product Alvidar for my daughter.. Afer 3 days she was rushed to the hospital because of rapid heart rate and a sick feeling…I called their office and a female told me it takes sometimes 3 mo’s for this product to work so I had to give it 3 months before I could get a refund…of course we didn’t use the product anymore.. Waited 3 months only to find the sales lines were no longer in service.. saw the information about Perry on the internet.. He talks highly of his family, but I wonder how they feel about the fact his selfishness and greed caused heartache and pain for many people. I am sure his mother would have a broken heart knowing what her son has done to many innocent people..Defrauding and misleading so many trusting (fools) like me.. Sure opened my eyes and learned my lesson the hard way..

17. David | Apr 30, 2008 | Reply

    A statement has been made by Ryan Deis – the Internet Marketer abotu Perry’s “predicament”, it is full of lies but you guys can read it here:

    http://wholesaletrafficsystem.com/statement.html

18. Chris Lockwood | Apr 30, 2008 | Reply

    I saw Perry speak last year at a conference. I had never heard of him before that. I’m surprised to hear of this news, but since I don’t know the facts I can’t really comment on it.

19. A-train | Apr 30, 2008 | Reply

    I just read Ryan’s statement, and I’m not sure how it is “full of lies”. I know Ryan personally, and one thing I can say about the guy is that he’s genuine. Therefore, although he may have been mislead in some way, I highly doubt that he’s going to throw a bunch of lies around and purposely ruin the solid reputation he’s built for himself by doing so.

    And for anyone reading this who says that he’s already ruined his reputation by promoting the content from his call with Perry, then you need to read his statement to understand why he’s doing what he’s doing.

    I don’t know the Perry guy at all, but I do know Ryan, and although he may not know the whole story, himself, there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s a guy you can trust with your life.

20. Mike Young | May 1, 2008 | Reply

    Ryan Deiss is perfectly entitled to his own view of what has transpired. The thread is focused on Perry Belcher rather than Deiss. That being said, the defense is remarkably similar to that provided by Internet marketers for friends who recently promoted hidden continuity programs. There comes a point in time that when one is in a hole, the digging must stop. Deceptive business practices in general hurt all Internet marketers by destroying credibility and encouraging government to overregulate ecommerce to protect consumers. Coming to bat for a friend is a good thing…if that friend deserves it. Pig sty marketers, however, should be shunned like lepers instead of defended under the buddy system.
    

21. Judy Kettenhofen | May 1, 2008 | Reply

    Hi Mike,

    Thanks for addressing the issue.
    “Laws of unintended consequences”, for some.
    I remember working aa a contractor, working many long hours and days. Someone (ones) decided they wanted to get paid for “overtime”–and, over time, that happened. I got a nice check for the overtime.

    But it also meant that I couldn’t work more than 8 hours a day or 40 hours in a week — which was one of the reasons I did contracting!

    When people push the envelope (not saying Belcher did), it only calls down “the feds” (generic term to represent all sorts and manner of legal heat) on everyone and makes a legit business more difficult.

    While I have your attention, I’d be interested in your comments on the privacy policy, etc., on the Revolution Money Exchange site. I find people promoting this more reprehensible than hidden forced continuity. Money, you can get more of. Once your privacy has been lost, it’s kinda hard to regain.

22. Mike Young | May 2, 2008 | Reply

    Judy,

    Thanks for sharing your experience. As for the privacy policy, you’ve spotted a trend arising from competitive forces to monetize sites. In fact, web sites that lose money on all of their content can still profit from the sale of visitor/customer information. From a legal perspective, these types of policies tend to be okay if there is clear disclosure (unlike hidden continuity programs). The line is crossed where the information is collected and supplied/sold to third parties without disclosure to the visitor/customer that is what is occurring. Of course, a better (consumer-friendly) marketing practice would be to have an opt-in rather than an opt-out provision for the collection and distribution of such information. Given a carrot for opting in, such as a free info product, most would do so without regard to the privacy implications.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

23. Judy Kettenhofen | May 2, 2008 | Reply

    Hi,

    Thanks for the quick response, Mike.
    Y’know, if I opt-in and somebody uses or sells my email address, that’s one thing. I can change email addresses, filter things out, stuff like that.

    But financial information ???

    That’s a little bit scarier.

24. gaby | May 2, 2008 | Reply

    Hi!

    I would like to bring to your attention that Perry Belcher has been selling Homeopathic/Herbal drugs.
    Don’t you get it that herbal drugs can or can’t cure you? Just like those other medically approved drugs out there, herbal drugs may or may not work. Its not penicillin, ok?

    As for the complaints, heck, most of the complainants are either former disgruntled employees or competitors, or guys who didn’t know the fact that I just said about medicine in general. I would think that the guy was set-up, because he was making tons of money from the internet. The public officials probably needed something to show off, to make an example of to the media and the masses. Talk about witch hunts. How about the real guys in the net who really bilks people out of their hard earned money? How about the real criminals who auctions something on the net but you later find out that the auction item is not really in their possession? Or the crooks who sells a non-existing product? Or thieves who lures you to invest on a non-existing product or service? Why don’t those FBI and local official hotshots go after them? This Perry guy was selling something that was really there! Hope this guy wins his battle against these petty charges!

    Gaby

25. Mike Young | May 3, 2008 | Reply

    Gaby,

    Thank you for your response.

    This post was not an attack on Perry Belcher or a referendum on the merits of homeopathic/herbal remedies.

    What it is a warning sign to Internet marketers on what to avoid doing to prevent the government coming after you. You’ll also note that in addition to the legal charges, the Internet is littered with complaints by affiliates Belcher is alleged to have not paid their commissions. My hunch is that many of them are fully cooperating with the investigation

    There are certain things one can do online that is the equivalent of pulling up to an intersection, seeing a police car, and deciding to squeal your tires, honk horn, and give the office the middle finger as you drive by. Even if you’ve done nothing illegal, you’ve just begged the police to pull you over. Tease the tiger enough times and you’ll get bit.

    The Perry Belchers, Gary Halberts, and Vincent James of the world did this with their marketing tactics too many times and the government took them down. Probably the most egregious example in the natural remedies arena is Kevin Trudeau.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

26. Jones Miller | May 4, 2008 | Reply

    Thank you so much Mike for elaborating and educating us on the Perry Belcher debacle especially when so many internet marketers would prefer to bury this and just hope it all goes away.
    You – not some in the internet marketing
    in-crowd – are really looking our for the little guy and gal out there and giving them the honest to goodness information on protecting themselves.

    Again thank God there are people like you who truly give a darn about protecting people unlike th misguided others who keep quiet about important stories like this one.
    Thank you so much for not being cowed by the social pressures and internet marketing herd mentality so prevalent in this crowd. Bravo to you Mike!!!

27. Mike Young | May 5, 2008 | Reply

    Jones,

    Appreciate your kind words.

    To be sure, taking a stand on this one has probably cost me a few clients. However, Internet marketers who insist on defending the indefensible misconduct of another are unqualified to be represented.

    You can never recover your good name if you roll around in the mud with pig sty marketers.

    The only hope for staying profitable in such cases is to prey upon the constant flow of newbies to the Internet who can be taken advantage of. That’s a shame but it is reality.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

28. Jess | May 8, 2008 | Reply

    I don’t know if Perry Belcher is guilty or not but I LOVE his products! Is there any way I can purchase some of his products while the trial is pending? Is someone going to take over his product lines while all of this is going on?? His product “Equitab” has changed my life and i’m going crazy with out it!! Does anyone know any information on if I can still purchase this product or when I will be able to again?? Thanks!!

29. Mike Young | May 9, 2008 | Reply

    Jess,

    Thanks for sharing your experience with Belcher’s products. I’m sure other readers would appreciate knowing how Equitab changed your life. Please explain.

    You may want to contact Ryan Deiss (who is apparently in contact with Perry these days). If anyone would know what Perry is selling and where, Ryan’s probably your go-to guy.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

30. Valerie | May 10, 2008 | Reply

    Mike,

    Just came across your blog. I don’t know Perry Belcher personally, but I have now read the complaints, comments and the statement from Ryan. I am a customer of Ryan’s and have a ton of respect for him.

    The complaints do seem like a witch-hunt to me. I think herbal supplements in general are ****. But they ARE legal to sell.

    The complaint states that Perry ‘defrauded’ his ‘victims’ of about $18K. Seriously? This guy is making many millions and his ‘unfair business practices’ ‘defrauded’ $18K? Give me a break!

    ‘Unfair business practices’ is one of those catch-all charges authorities use when they can’t find something else to charge you with. Like the federal government recently started charging people with ‘perjury’ regarding charges the feds could not prove (Martha Stewart anyone?).

    No individual deserves the full weight of the state government thrust upon them for such petty stuff. From what I can see, there was no illegal activity and any complaints should have been civil, not criminal.

    For all those that want Belcher’s head on a platter – think again. If you’re cheering for this guy to go down via the hands of the state government, consider that the state government will GLADLY do the exact same thing to you. I love how it’s easy to jump on the bandwagon until it’s your neck on the line.

    And if you think this kind of thing only happens to people that stradle some ‘line’ of ethical business practices, you’re wrong. These strong arm tactics are employed from the local to the federal levels. It’s an ‘us’ versus ‘them’ mentality and once you’re in their cross-hairs, facts, evidence and all of that silly stuff really doesn’t matter anymore. ‘They’ don’t like you, so ‘they’ will expend a tremendous amount of resources to crush you.

    If/when Perry is found ‘not guilty’, do you think he will be compensated for lost revenues, time, embarassment, etc.? Nope. That is how the state tries to break people even when they have no substantial case.

    Well, that’s my 2 cents or so.

31. Mike Young | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    Valerie,

    Thanks for your response. This thread is not an attack on Ryan Deiss in any way. However, Ryan has decided to defend Perry Belcher and is accordingly drawing heat from certain quarters.

    Let’s assume that everything you say is true about Belcher, a “witch hunt” etc. Even under such circumstances, the lesson to be learned from this is what not to do when it comes to drawing unwanted attention from the government. Belcher isn’t the first and he won’t be the last.

    However, one can learn from his experience and avoid making the same mistakes when marketing online. Legal or illegal, his actions made him a target.

    I’d contend that if Belcher had actually studied what happened to Vincent James, he’d never be in the position he is today with the government.

    My hope is that someone who reads about Belcher (and James for that matter) learns from their experiences so they don’t become the next to fall.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

32. anherbalist | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    The BBB has been trying to get him for years, if you go to BBB.org and look up Selmedica – that pretty much explains his record. I don’t see how anyone can defend that. Has nothing to do with the fact that he was selling supplements and more to do with credit card fraud. If you offer a money back guarantee, you have to honor it and refund unhappy customers- PERIOD

33. Valerie | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    Mike,

    Your point about drawing ‘unwanted attention’ is well, reality. I guess my argument is that government action should be based on the law and not emotion. I do not want to have to fear my government (at any level) just because they don’t like me (for whatever reason).

    Your solution – stay out of their way. My solution – do what is legal and if they come after you anyway, fight it tooth and nail. What we’re doing here is condoning an unwaranted level of government attack BECAUSE of our personal opinion of the recipient. In other words, the government may be doing something wrong, but it’s OK because we don’t like the guy anyway. However, if that is allowed, the ‘regular’ internet business owner is NEXT. And maybe just because the government doesn’t UNDERSTAND your business. That is scary.

    P.S. anherbalist – The BBB.org is not a policing agency. They don’t really ‘go after’ anyone. But I can tell you who does – the credit card processor. I know wihout a doubt that if a credit card processor detected fraud, too many chargebacks, etc. that every account Belcher has would be shut down without question (and probably without warning). If a customer paid via credit card and complained for ANY REASON, the credit card company would take the customer’s side 100% of the time and refund their money.

    thanks,

    Valerie

34. jake | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    i havent tried any of his herbal products, maybe some of them works as advertised, maybe not. but lets not forget that he also sell the “secret cure” ebooks. these ebooks are advertised as secret cures for a variety of illnesses. so what does these ebooks contain, who makes them, and who are they marketed? well mr. belcher had “writers” from the philippines to “research” for “cures” in the internet and compile them to an ebook. he also had website developers who creates websites (and i mean tons of websites) with testimonials and endorsements from bogus medical professionals. all people who does the ebooks dont have any medical background and are not qualified to do medical researches especially for serious medical conditions.

35. Valerie | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    Now we’re getting into legal versus ethical. Is selling eBooks written and researched by a foreign third party legal? Yes. Ethical? Maybe. It depends on the quality of the information.

    Seriously like 99% of all eBooks on all topics are created this way (RentACoder, Elance). But if I have someone create an eBook, give me source references, which I verify, then I’ve only used the process to save some time writing the first draft.

    In terms of the information in Belcher’s books, I have no clue. I’ve never read one.

    Claiming you’re specifically a “doctor” is illegal. Claiming you’re a “medical researcher”, I’m not so sure. That is the state’s case and I think they’re probably going to lose depending on the judge’s interpretation of the statute. I’d bet the websites and the books also have medical disclaimers. I don’t know if that will play a factor.

36. Mike Young | May 12, 2008 | Reply

    Valerie,

    What the government “should do” is very different from what it actually does. Idealism is fine. But the real world operates differently.

    For example, one can exercise free speech rights by denouncing the IRS and income taxes all day. Yet it should come as no surprise that tax audits will follow.

    Same thing with herbal supplement business and consumer protection arms of government.

    You bait the bear often enough, you’re going to get bit…even if there’s a 100 good reasons why you did it.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

37. jakefake | May 19, 2008 | Reply

    Hi! Just want to ask how come this jake guy who doesn’t know a thing about belchers products, knows so much about his operations in manila?

    well, guess he’s one of those disgruntled employees from manila who got fired because he can’t do his job well. Honestly, these disgruntled employees, who were fired because they can’t do their jobs well enough, or can’t even do their jobs, are the guys behind these attacks and complaints. I know they planned it. They were after his company cause they were sacked under “unfair reasons”. You know what they did? They went in with fake credentials on their resumes (well, most, not all), asked for large amounts of salary, allowances, and other priveleges that most guys here only dreams of. Hell, they make more than engineers and managers here, and they just got hired to boot. And they just loaf around all afternoon, trying to act busy, especially when Mr. Belcher is around. They took advantage of the guys generosity and kindness, and when the management caught on to their “productivity”, they got pissed. They went on and on that they will find a way to sue Mr. belcher and his company here. That they will find a way to shut down his operations. After 8 months, I’m not surprised that Mr. Belcher is in trouble. And yes, his company has shut down. And it all started with fake complaints from these guys. Bravo! Such selfish persons. They didn’t even take into consideration that what perry belcher brought here has helped a lot of families, because of his generosity and kindness. All these charges started because of these great bunch of guys, whos only talents involve faking resumes and faking complaints.

    I stand by Mr. Belcher, he is one of those guys who are so unselfish, that he’d be willing to pay for stuff that somebody else stole (Thats a true story, someone he once knew stole a laptop from one of his employees here, and he paid for the laptop, imagine that!). I’ve seen him offer guys to finance their own businesses, just loan them the money, and if the business doesn’t work, he won’t ask for the money back. He was sympathetic to guys who were having money problems, and just doles it out, without question. Is this the guy that you are calling a crook? Someone who would give thousands of dollars away just to help someone he barely knew? (I’m not that person, by the way).

    He didn’t bilk anybody, he put those warnings on the websites, that if it doesn’t work, he’d give the money back, and he did. He also stated the secret cures club membership, right there on the order box of the sites, not on fine print, most of those guys didn’t just read it. I’ve answered some of those calls, and the customers didn’t read it.

    He almost went broke financing the office in Manila, and this is how those ****** repay him. By tricking you and your vaunted government into making a fraudulent case against him. Can you ask those guys who arrested him to get those guys who were “victimized” by belcher? I’m sure they’d need to give them temporary visas and air fare money form the Philippines to the USA.

    It’s a shame, just a real shame.

    Sincerely,

    GRATEFUL FORMER EMPLOYEE of Mr. Perry Belcher

    P.S.

    Hey mike, since you’re all about the law and stuff, can you expose what I just said here? About those disgruntled employees who started this? cause its all true. I hope you would, being an advocate of truth and justice.

38. Mike Young | May 19, 2008 | Reply

    JakeFake,

    While I appreciate positive PR spin, blaming Perry Belcher’s current legal situation in the United States solely on disgruntled former employees in the Philippines calls for willing suspension of disbelief. There was a lot more at issue than an employment dispute — and anyone who has actually looked at the case would know that.

    Perry Belcher could be the next Mother Teresa or Marquis de Sade. It wouldn’t matter. The purpose of this post and thread is to warn other Internet marketers about the type of conduct that makes one a government target in an effort to prevent future prosecutions.

    If disgruntled former employees were part of Belcher’s problem, that’s just one more lesson to be learned.

    As for your accusation that I have somehow worked with the government to make a “fraudulent case” against Belcher, either provide factual evidence to support your claim or retract it.

    Regardless of the merits of what the government has done in this case, I played no part in Belcher’s prosecution. That you posted a personal attack on me here using a fake name speaks volumes about your character. Not mine.

    And as for your attack on my “vaunted government,” let me just remind you that many American lives were lost saving the Philippines from Japanese occupation in World War II. Ingrate.

    -Mike

39. jakefake | May 19, 2008 | Reply

    Mike,

    I never siad you worked to help build any case. I was asking you (although in a sarcastic way) to bring into light that former disgruntled employees were a part of the campaign against belcher. Thats what I was asking. I never implicated you, sir. I was merely asking you to expose that.

    Sorry if my statement was misunderstood. I apologize for that. Sorry for offending you, sir.

40. peredonov | May 19, 2008 | Reply

    I wrote a couple of e-books, so I can tell you exactly how it goes down. They give you the name of a disease. Sometimes they provide you with some info from a medical encyclopaedia. But otherwise you just type it into the search engine of your choice and translate the information into marketing speak, twisting the facts so as to make it either more entertaining or more scary. For instance, arthritis is referred to as an auto-immune condition. This is cute, because you can then put it into a sentence with other scarier auto-immune conditions like AIDS. However, it is mainly rheumatoid arthritis that is auto-immune; osteoarthritis and most other forms of arthritis are not. Whichever way you look at it, they are publishing misinformation, and when health issues are involved that is very serious indeed.

    Now, perhaps Belcher may have successfully tiptoed around the law by calling the writers ‘medical researchers’. But customers who buy these things are expecting expert opinion, and indeed they are marketed as ‘insider knowledge’. It is at the very least dishonest to sell these things when nobody involved has ANY KIND OF MEDICAL QUALIFICATION WHATSOEVER. It is also dishonest, in my view, to make out that Filipino + Google = “medical researcher”.

    Was Increase Media a terrible place to work? No. Are all its employees the scum of the earth? No. A little hypocritical perhaps in that they failed (and by the looks of it still do fail) to accept the fact that what they were doing is dishonest, and keeping themselves in deliberate ignorance of the rest of Belcher’s activities. I realized at my initial interview that Belcher was an fraudster, and you only have to Google his and Selmedica’s name to confirm it. There used to be a notice on the office wall which ended “We are not telling our customers about this.” Does this sound like an honest businessman?

    The fact that he may have been a decent employer is as irrelevant as whether or not he is a good “family man”. He doesn’t profit by ripping off his employees or family, he profits by ripping off the public. The e-books are the tip of the iceberg.

41. jess | May 20, 2008 | Reply

    I bought the product ovulex in hopes of conceiving a child to only find out that I had been scammed by perry belcher and lost my money. When i tried to contact the company all numbers where disconnected and so I called the police and they told me he was under investigation. Im wondering what I can do about this.

42. ME | May 23, 2008 | Reply

    I was a former employee of Perry Belcher, right up until the door were shut. As far as what went into the capsules, well, what the bottle said was in them was in them, simple as that. He was not arrested for mis-lableing, he was arrested because he did not go through all the proper channels and took short cuts just to get rich. When the Attorney general sent him a letter to shut down selmedica, he promptly opened Allied health, using fake NDA numbers, instead of taking the time to actually register the new products. He just couldn’t go a few weeks without all that money coming in. As far as the affiliates go, well Perry liked to spend alot of money and impress people with his money, so therefore, he spent your money on cars and women instead of your checks. The frequent trips to china were not all business related, in fact many trips were made soley to rent cheap asian hookers and go to bath houses. When the money was there, he chose to use it for other things, such as his 7 series bmw that he bought at the same time that the affiliates were owed money (I know this to be true, the car was bought from Harry at city auto), not to mention all the other junk he bought just to leave laying around the office. Perry still owes all his employees for 2 weeks pay, as well as built up vacation time. He has no intentions of paying us either. He has started a new business with one of his top managers Roger B. and has that open under Roger’s name, but Perry is still in that office and the company is using all of Perry’s equipment. He has not even offered an apology or explanation to his employees. To top it off, he retro-cancelled our insurance as of the end of Feb. even though we paid premiums at $140/week through March 18. That left many of us with Dr bills that we thought would be covered by our insurance. I used to think Perry was a good guy, now I see he was just marketing himself, and not truely a good person. The dept. of labor says they cant’ help us get our money even though they said we are legally entitled to it. They said because the company is shut down we will have to get a lawyer, which is difficult to find now that I am at a new job. Perry has showed his true colors, and just how sorry he can be. Meanwhile, he is still scamming people. Just check out Kiva.org. What a joke, straight to his pocket. Also he sales a course saying he started making all his money with a hot dog stand. I cant’ tell you how many people he has scammed with that, when the whole thing was recorded in his office with his marketing manager Richard L. I’ll stop my rant now, but just know, this guy’s sole purpose was to make money, no matter what the means. If you were scammed in any way or fashion, I highly suggest posting it somewhere on the net such as this site. Perry needs to be stopped. To top it off, his lawyer is Leslie Ballen, the guy who got the Mary Winkler off with murder in Selmer, TN. 2 peas in a pod.

43. peredonov | May 25, 2008 | Reply

    Hey ME, have you been in touch with the Shelby County Sheriff’s Office? It may not matter any more, because I have seen a report that a deal is being negotiated with the DA.

44. Austin80 | May 25, 2008 | Reply

    I took the time to read all the comments on this blog because I was under the mistaken impression that this blog’s purpose was to educate new internet marketers on what not to do to incur government wrath. The petty complaints of disgruntled former employees are a waste of time. It is extremely hypocritical of them to spout off about what he supposedly spent money on, or what kind of car he drives while they were cashing paychecks, bonuses, etc. Yes, I think he owes the employees their last paychecks and the affiliates their commissions, but it what the press has said is true, then all assets have been frozen and the company is now bankrupt before ANY of the charges have been proven. These are now civil matters, so what should have been done is now moot. And how do you know he doesn’t plan to do this once his trial is over? I don’t know Mr. Belcher personally, but I had a friend who used to work there. They had a very large customer service center, and refunded customers up to a year. Something is just not adding up. According to the websites, (that were shut down, again before any charges were proven, there are hundreds of thousands of customers. But he only supposedly “scammed” $18,000? Nobody forced any of these adults to buy his products. Marketing his product in the best possible light is not against the law, making false claims is, but if you read the websites or bought his product it states the standard, “this product has not been evaluated by the FDA, it is not intended to treat, diagnose, or cure any diesease”, etc, or something to that effect. No supplement is approved by the FDA, that is why they are supplements, and not prescriptions. Who cares if his sole purpose is to make money, more power to him. This country was built on capitalism. Petty postings due to jealousy on this or any other blog is ridiculous. And another thing, why is it ok for ME to name names but hides his or her own. You and Peredonov just sound like people with a grudge that doesn’t bring anything helpful to this forum. I am not wanting to know about how he supposedly treated his employees, I am wanting to know about his knowledge of internet marketing. Obviously, he can create and market any product and do very well selling it. If the product didn’t work, then ask for a refund or file a chargeback. Obviously, this guy is a brilliant marketer, whether he learned his lesson about his questionable, but legal advertising methods remains to be seen. Why should he be “stopped” from doing what he is legally allowed to do? As long as he now stays in the parameters of legal advertising, there is no end to what we could all learn. It would interesting to see if he now goes on the circuit to speak about what has happened to him so people can learn from his mistakes. But he also should talk about his internet marketing skills. It goes without saying that the health e-book business or whatever else he was selling, again legally, is over. Do the right thing, take care of your debts to people, learn from your mistakes and focus on what you know. And hey, this is a free country, so if you don’t want to hear what he has to say, then don’t listen! Last but not least, I have met Ryan Deiss, and he is one of the good ones. Obviously, he believes in the person and the traffic system he is promoting. Which means there is something more I can learn. Knowledge is power.

45. peredonov | May 26, 2008 | Reply

    Well Austin, that was a mistaken impression, because the intro says “If you’ve ever dealt with Perry, please post a comment here describing what happened” and not “Read further if you want to make money dishonestly without getting caught.” Let’s not kid ourselves — Belcher’s activities are dishonest. ME and myself have experienced this at first hand and are in the best position to know. I’m a capitalist too, but I think ‘marketing gurus’ like Belcher screw up capitalism. Capitalism as originally conceived and depicted by the likes of Rand is all about serving the consumer and who serves the consumer best gets the most money. If that was the only way to make money I would not have a problem with it. But guys like Belcher are nothing to do with serving consumers, they sell things simply because they are good at selling things. They don’t produce things, solve any problems, or satisfy any genuine need. The problem with capitalism is that it purports to reward people who are good at doing things (which is reasonable) but instead rewards people who are good at selling things.

    I am not going to go into the legal nuances about how and to what extent government should interfere with business, or quibble over the words ‘medical researcher’ and ’supplement’. Also I am not interested in Belcher’s personal life. As far as I’m concerned it is irrelevant whether he is a good family man supporting an ailing grandmother and a tribe of pygmies in the rainforest, or whether he spends all his money on sports-cars and whores. I just want to nail one particular point. BELCHER CAME BY HIS MONEY DISHONESTLY.

    Austin, you seem to want to shrug and say “Caveat emptor”. True, a fool and his money are soon parted, and I am not my brother’s keeper, still less a moral crusader. But Belcher went into dangerous territory in healthcare. You are dealing with sick people who might act in ways they normally wouldn’t, out of desperation. What if someone had died from taking his pills? Not likely, but possible. How would your shrug feel then?

    Incidentally, I happened to type his name into eBay a while back and he was auctioning business consultations for $1000 an hour. If he really has all the money that he is supposed to, then I can only assume that it is not liquid. I speculate that he may have cut even more corners than usual to resolve some cash flow problem, hence the comparatively trivial amounts that he is charged with getting illegally, and got caught.

46. royce | Jul 18, 2008 | Reply

    I stumbled upon this page, and although I know nothing about this individual or his circumstance, it was an interesting read.

    I’m wondering if you can enumerate some specific take-aways that might benefit online marketers. You can ignore the obvious (don’t make claims that can be easily proven wrong, don’t make up testimonials, avoid “miracle” type claims, etc.).

    I wonder sometimes if even the average aggressive marketer with a good (honest) product had not better watch his p’s and q’s as well. As we all know, there is no shortage of entrepreneurial types who are good with their product and sales but poor with record keeping, administration, follow up, etc. As they say the devil is in the details and sometimes people pay heavily for sloppiness or lack of organization as much as wrong intent.

    Perhaps a little primer for keeping on the straight and narrow would be useful here.

47. Rman | Aug 1, 2008 | Reply

    I have known P Belcher for years from his West Memphis days selling at jewelry shows and mixing bogus Afro hair-care products that were neither approved or accurate in their ingredient content. He is an Internet-Carnival-Barker that would admittedly drive around with a fancy car in poor neighborhoods to prey on underage, desperate girls. When I read about his arrest and charges….I was not surprised in the least. He is always looking for his next scam. This guy is a true amoral-crook with no conscience or moral compass. He can “charm” & indear, but only for a limited time. His true, corrupted nature will rear its ugly head in anything he touches.

48. Mike Young | Sep 16, 2008 | Reply

    It is my understanding that Perry Belcher will be speaking at Affiliate Incubator in Dallas (Sept. 25-27). Other speakers include Ryan Deiss and Russell “Hidden Continuity” Brunson.

    Note: A friend with a warped sense of humor offered me a ticket. I declined. However, it should be entertaining for those who attend.

49. Steve | Sep 30, 2008 | Reply

    The only thing I have to say is Perry Belcher is the scum of the Earth.

    Earlier this year while on business I had a panic attack for unknown reasons late one night in a hotel room.

    Worried about this I seached the internet for some advice. I was unfortunate to run into Perry’s “the cure for anxiety” site.

    As I was pretty desperate at the time I decided against better judgement to buy this e-book. What I got was a load of **** that only made my anxiety worse. Nothing like being duped to make you feel better.

    To add insult to injury my cc was billed monthly thereafter as I missed the deceptive small print.

    After not getting a hold of his company I researched Perry and contacted the local police after I saw they were looking for infomation on him.

    I’m all for capitalism, but the products he was selling were purposely misleading and moraly unethical.

    For those of you who defend him understand that his game is to fool people for profit…..end of story. He may be a good “marketer” but in the end honest consumers like me are impacted.

    I hope Perry rebounds and starts doing seminars or some other trashy thing. I think it might be interesting for me to attend. I really hope he fields questions from the crowd.

    Steve

50. Jonathon Pugsley | Oct 19, 2008 | Reply

    This is an comprehensive & informative article. Internet marketers need to be more in tuned with Internet Law. They need to know what they are doing.

    You certainly would do what he did offline, so why did he think it was O.K. to give medical advise online.

    Jonathon Pugsley
    Marketing Consultant
    homebasedphilosphy@getresponse.com
    http://www.marketingmergeonline.com

51. Mike | Dec 1, 2008 | Reply

    Anybody gone through his and Deiss’s Wholesale Traffic System?

    Does it work if you do it with non-medical related products?

52. Kevin | Dec 8, 2008 | Reply

    He’s currently running ads on Facebook–I see it every day.

53. Lynn | Dec 15, 2008 | Reply

    I really need the Fungrx for pets he was selling anyone know if that exact formula is being made or sold by some other company? I have heard from a few that it actually worked.
    Site directs me to another brand but has to be tha same stuff. thanks

54. Scott | Dec 24, 2008 | Reply

    Perry Belcher is back with [content deleted because it was spam for Belcher's latest product]

55. Brandon | Jan 17, 2009 | Reply

    It looks like Ryan’s involvment with Perry have effected his business practices. This week I purchased a $30 package from the two of them. That evening I was called by the outbound call center at Ryan’s office. I’m a cancer patient and unfortunetly my maximum insurance coverage has been hit. I’m too rich for help, but I’m basically spending all of my money at this point to stay a live.
    Anyway they have $5000 coaching program they wanted me to buy. My sites make about $10,000 per month so they must have thought they had a live one on the hooks coz I was immediately sent to a closer. I explained my situation to the sales guy, Calvin. That yeah I have $10,000 a month but cancer is a pretty expensive proposition and if I don’t continue to to pay I’m going to not get treated and then I’ll die. He asked me to wait a minute. He came back a few minutes later and said that they could go as low as $2000 for me. That I seemed like a real action taker and they would hate for me to miss this opportunity. I said I cant spend $2000, my god damn medical bills are running over $8000 a month and I have to keep them paid, it’s not an optional thing.
    This guy literally then told me to think of investing the $2000 as investing in living. I was so stunned I pretty much remember word for word what he said. He said well just think of all the extra money you could make if you would make this investment in yourself. I’d hate for you to get sicker and not have made the money. Just like you said, if you can’t pay then you will die. Well, what happens if you get more sick and you can’t work. You’ll die. If you just invest this $2000 with Perry your business will almost certainly go to the next level and you can have the security of knowing that you are provided for….Now I know that Perry likes his magic cures, but it seems like that’s a lot even for him.
    I’m very tempted to call the Department of Consumer Protection, the authorities in Texas, my local authorities in Iowa and the last 10 minutes of the sales call, which I recorded, to the Shelby County Police Department who seems to be the arresting department with Perry.
    I understand selling, even aggressive selling and it does not offend me. I’ve done this since 1998, I know how the game is played. But, for the first time in my life I really feel like someone really crossed a line with me. I mean this was pretty much on par with people taking the last penny from little old ladies.
    I used to have a lot of respect for Ryan, but it does seem like being affiliated with Perry is having an effect on his practices and that’s too bad because he has good products. Good products or not though, it does not make up for the criminal behavior of the outbond call out center in the call to me.
    I’ve asked for a refund on all of the products I have bought from them (They say you have 60 days) and not heard anything back in 3 days. I suppose that should not be a surprise given how they seem to really feel about the customer.

56. Mike Young | Jan 18, 2009 | Reply

    Brandon,
    Thanks for sharing your experience. Sorry you had to endure it. Your life is too important to waste on this type of nonsense.
    Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
    -Mike

57. Brandon | Jan 21, 2009 | Reply

    I want to give an update on the post I wrote above.

    It was I think on Wednesday that I got the call from the call out center on the mentoring. I thought about it all week, and then on Saturday, with nothing else to do, I started to get very upset about the whole deal and started to dig around on the web for information about both Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher.

    This was one of the first site’s I came across, and so of course I did more research on the web. Obviously with the information that is on the web it was pretty easy for me to jump to a conclussion about a Mr. Belcher, and so I took the leap and then I posted my experience here.

    In the mean time I had also written to the customer support center for Ryan and Perry’s company. Most of the big names in Internet Marketing are pretty slow to get back to you with any concern, if they do at all.

    This did not end up being the case with Ryan and Perry though. On Sunday night I got a very long and detailed apology letter from Ryan. He also asked that I call him on the private line he gives to close family and friends so that he could find out what had happened and take action.

    By Monday morning Ryan and Perry had terminated the contract they had with the call out center. They also offered to let me enroll in the mentoring program that the call out center had tried to sell me at no cost. I did not take them up on this because I’m still fighting anemia. I’ve also given coaching packages before and know the amount of work that it takes, so I felt slightly guilty about taking so much for something that was an obvious mistake.

    Having had the chance to personally talk to Ryan and Perry did totally change my opinion of them. As I said it was very obvious that they felt terrible about what had happened, and moved very quickly to correct the situation in every way they could.

    I’d also like to note that no one is “making me” write this and I am writting because I think I made a terrible mistake in judging a person based upon the information I found on the net, not based upon talking to the person himself.

    Brandon Fredrickson

58. Mike Young | Jan 21, 2009 | Reply

    Brandon,

    Thank you for the update. I’m glad that Messrs. Deiss and Belcher did the right thing in your matter.

    To repeat a point that has been missed by those (not you) who’ve flamed me for posting about Belcher’s arrest, etc., the posts were
    never an attack on Belcher. The purpose was to bring to the attention of online marketers the type of behavior that attracts unwanted government scrutiny so that such conduct can be avoided when selling goods and services online.

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

59. Brandon | Jan 22, 2009 | Reply

    That was what I got out of your posts here as well Mike. I’ve looked over your site and found a lot of info that could prove very helpful. From 1998 until late 2005 I had a pretty substantial business on the net, but when I was diagnosed with cancer just 3 months after I got divorced so with so many things hitting me at one time I kind of did a “where in the world is Carmine San Diego” thing and dropped off the face of the earth for awhile.

    Anyway I was obviously very upset when I wrote this, and I think with reason to be upset. Like I said my plan was going to be to get ahold of the Police in Memphis and let everyone on the net know what had happened to me. I do think they did everything they could to make it right though.I also did the “trust but varify” thing by calling the call out center on Tuesday to see if I could talk to someone about the coaching program and they said that they are no longer working with Ryan and Perry’s company.
    Anyway I won’t take up any more of anybodies time. I’m glad to have found your site Mike, as it has a lot of good info on it.
    Brandon

60. Bruno | Jan 26, 2009 | Reply

    Sounds like some people here are on a witch hunt.

    One guy questioned Ryan about his Christian faith.

    To him I ask… “Did you bear false witness against your neighbor???” and “If you are without sin… then cast the First Stone”!

    Don’t jump to the conclusion Until you have ALL the Facts.

    On another note… I found this site because I just bought a product from Perry and I wanted to find out more about him , because I never heard of him until other day.

    I don’t know Perry or Ryan… but just the other day the purchased Perry’s Google course $27 bucks.

    After watching a video and listening to some audio’s I can tell you that there is a lot of GOOD info there.

    I am thinking of getting his “Wholesale Course”

61. Tom | Jan 29, 2009 | Reply

    Update on this story:

    Wanted: computer fraud victims

    Monday, December 29, 2008

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/dec/29/wanted-computer-fraud-victims/

62. Dave Zan | Jan 30, 2009 | Reply

    Tom,

    If I understood that article, it’s basically to compensate those affected by this using only whatever they got from Perry except those already dealt with. Unfortunately it won’t stop some people from thinking Perry’s a bad guy to burn at the stake.

    Not that it won’t stop Perry from learning from this experience and making sure he doesn’t cause “harm” when marketing again, whatever “harm” means to some people.

63. Cindi | Feb 2, 2009 | Reply

    According to the news, Perry Belcher plead GUILTY to those criminal charges. Now, that’s an ADMISSION OF GUILT. He probably didn’t find himself dragged out of his home in handcuffs by accident.

    He was lucky enough to afford a very slick attorney (someone mentioned it was the same attorney who got murderer Mary Winkler a very cushy sentence also). Belcher received a 10 year suspended sentence. Which likely means if he crosses the line in the future, he could still end up serving that 10 year sentence.

    From the news report link above:

    “Belcher, 44, pleaded guilty in September to computer crimes over $60,000 for selling bogus health products on the Web alleged to be useful in treating a variety of ailments. He was given a 10-year suspended sentence and agreed to forfeit some $1 million in assets, including bank accounts, cars, motorcycles and other property.”

    Goes to show you need to be careful who you choose for a role model. Unless you like wearing handcuffs.

64. ashley | Feb 3, 2009 | Reply

    Wow i was just searching on the product GET MONEY FROM GOOGLE that was made by him is this product also one of his scams? If so i am disappointed. all i want to do is make money online i don’t understand why people want to sell lies to people. Its a Ressession and people like me are just looking for ways to make money the legal way without having to leave home. Man this is Crazy!!!

    -Ashley

65. Mike Young | Feb 4, 2009 | Reply

    Ashley,

    Can’t comment on the quality of the product because I haven’t tested it. I’m sure that those who have could weigh in on the subject.

    -Mike

66. whatdf? | Feb 4, 2009 | Reply

    hey ashley did you find some online sh__ that is not a scam? i was searching for the same thing and i was just browsing get money from google.. i thought it was true. does google know about this then? good thing i thought of reading peoples blogs first. and all comments there are positive except for this one link that led here (thank God) . are those people who comented that perry was like a god fake too? theres alot who even says they love him and wanting to purchace a fan shirt. what d hel was that? im so confused.

67. Ashley | Feb 4, 2009 | Reply

    I’m sure google has to know about it but i don’t think they would let him promote a product with there name on it if it was a fraud. Just alot to thinking about. Its hard trying to make money online, so many people ready to steall it.

68. whatdf? | Feb 4, 2009 | Reply

    thanks mike i learned a lot although im new to all this stuff. not the internet i mean all the other sh– going around. i dint know he has an office at manila.. sorry dont laugh at me guys i dont know the terms. but thank you for all the info .now i can share them to friends who doesnt have any clue bout this kind of things. some doesnt have any idea about internet marketing. now i can warn people whos planing to get involve with this stuffs..

69. Dale | Feb 6, 2009 | Reply

    “Ashley” actually said:

    “I’m sure google has to know about it but i don’t think they would let him promote a product with there name on it…”

    ———-

    Do people really think like this? That Google knows everything and they don’t care if you use their trademark any way you want? Wow!

    Please. He’s using their trademark in a domain name. That’s just one cease and desist letter away (or worse, if ignored).

    He’s just enjoying riding their trademarked coattails for the moment until they notice. Check that domain name again in a year and see if it doesn’t say, “page not found.”

70. RJ | Feb 11, 2009 | Reply

    “Get Money From Google” is NOT about having Google GIVE you money, as some might expect given the name.

    Rather, it is about how to get traffic (web site visitors) as cheap as possible. Of course, then it is up to you to sell those visitors something. So this is by no means a slam dunk way to make money on the internet. Far from it.

    This is also not for “newbies” in my opinion. (Because as stated, it is not a full “turnkey” system but simply information about one specific aspect of selling online.) It’s reasonably good information I would say.

    Giving this a listen, it’s clear that Perry has a ton of real experience, and knows his stuff. He’s also very street smart and a real thinker. He appears to be working hard to get back on his feet after his setback. He may just do it if he stays focused and concentrates on delivering real value. I gather from watching a couple of his web site video promos that he has picked up on this principle, because he specifically refers to a new mantra of “giving value.”

    If you purchase this product, keep in mind that you are also signing up for a continuity program, for which you will be billed some amount each month until you cancel. I believe this gives you access to a membership site with additional content.

    If you are NOT a complete newbie, and need traffic advice, this would be a reasonable purchase.

71. Vikram | Feb 12, 2009 | Reply

    I came here while researching about Perry Belcher, because he is being promoted as a guest at http://********.com. I wonder how with the questionable background they chose to have Perry on the panel, which includes some internet heavyweights.

72. RIck | Feb 12, 2009 | Reply

    Vikram et al.

    The bloke plead “guilty” and was convicted and placed on a promise not to do anyhting crooked for 10 years (else into jail he goes).

    The man knows his stuff as far as I can make out, and so why not let him help others make some money with an internet based business?

    If the 10 year suspended sentence isn’t a good enough incentive to play a straight game then I have no idea what you people really want.

    Have you heard of the concept of “rehabilitation”?

    Anyway most of the folks posting here are losers with nothing better to do than ***** and whine about how **** their lives are so they feel better about themselves beating up on other people.

    Belcher has plead guilty, publicly apologised on the internet on Youtube and promised to lead a better life.

    What do you want.. blood?

    Go and get lives people.

73. Vikram | Feb 12, 2009 | Reply

    Rick,

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I saw Perry’s name for the first time on the tweetathon website. His Bio (Neurological Copywriter With a Gift From God) caught my attention, and I googled him. This was one of the top sites.

    I was merely curious about the man and his background, not going on a witch hunt. Yes, people do make mistakes and reform for the better, but trust and faith once lost is not re-instated overnight.

    Look at Steve Pavlina, he went from being a convicted shoplifter to somebody who now walks the talk about creating change and value for society. It has taken him *years* to earn public trust.

    If Perry now demonstrates a high standard of ethics through his products and action, I would certainly want to listen to him and his ideas.

    – Vikram

74. Mike Young | Feb 13, 2009 | Reply

    If the 10 year suspended sentence isn’t a good enough incentive to play a straight game then I have no idea what you people really want.

    ---

    I prefer playing a “straight game” because it is the right thing to do.

    I’d like to think that’s why Belcher is doing it now…not just to avoid jail.

    Time will tell. 

    Will say that I’m very impressed with the rehabilitation PR that’s been done and the heavyweights behind it. Can think of a few big firms on Wall Street that could learn a lesson or two from what he’s accomplished on that front in less than a year.

    -Mike
    

    
    

75. John | Feb 13, 2009 | Reply

    Hi folks,
    Just thought I would give my 2 cents on the subject. I am brand new to internet marketing and actually purchased Perry’s “Get Money From Google” course for a whopping $7 (after a $20 discount). Without a doubt he could have sold that for a minimum of $47 by itself. There are a couple of unadvertised bonuses that would have sent the price point for the product to $97.

    Let me make one thing absolutely clear: I am in no way affiliated with Perry Belcher or do I gain from giving him a positive review. I have also taken a look at a couple of his blogs and to tell you the truth they give alot of content.

    In my personal experience I have received an incredible amount of value for the money that I have spent with him.

    John

76. Adriel Hampton | Feb 15, 2009 | Reply

    Mike, thanks for this info. Probably worthy of a follow up. It’s amazing that he’s still in a very similar business. Reform to me means a 180, not a slight deviation in path.

77. Amit | Feb 16, 2009 | Reply

    I gather that Ryan Deiss is supporting/funding Perry Belcher’s current ventures. There are several web sites that have Perry Belcher’s words and voice on them, but instead show Ryan Deiss’s business address.

    For example, I have noted that he sells audio/ebook courses on how to operate an ice cream truck business and also how to operate a hot dog stand. Interestingly, some of the copy is nearly the same in places. In each case, it implies that he is the authority/expert of that particular type of business. It would almost seem he is an expert in many things, maybe.

    Then I see above where someone (perhaps a former colleague) stated that he really had no experience in the hot dog cart business and he just put together an informational product for it while sitting in his office.

    Is this really any different from the cheap generic ebooks written by the “medical researchers?”

    To me, a big part of credibility comes from the background of the person who represents a book or product. Apparently Mr. Belcher knows this well also, and that is why he markets in this way.

    I looked around on google for these two business markets (ice cream truck and hot dog cart business) and see there were already some existing instructional materials available. Perhaps his technique is simply to mimic such existing businesses, spring from their existing ideas, and then outmarket them? I will not judge this aspect although I am sure some would, but the aspect of claiming to be an expert seems quite uncomfortable to me. I could not do it myself.

    After reading the many comments here and considering all this, it seems somewhat doubtful he will change for the long term.

78. Alex | Feb 19, 2009 | Reply

    We should always be careful of those whose advice we follow.

    Otherwise, you may end up just like the age-old story of the Frog and the Scorpion

    [redacted to ensure copyright law compliance]

79. Patrick | Feb 27, 2009 | Reply

    I didn’t know about Perry’s background and legal trouble before I bought Get Money From Google and subsequently listened to other material he had. Due to the high quality of the Get Money From Google product and the transparency and accessibility with which Perry currently conducts business I find it shocking.

    However, the only reason I knew anything about it was because he talks about it in one of the training webinars I attended with him. I can’t comment on that because I had no dealings with selmedica. He made some mistakes and he is not trying to hide that, he is actually very open about it.

    Regarding my experience with Perry Belcher and Ryan Deiss – I would recommend these guys’ internet marketing products to anyone who wants to get started in the business. Regardless of what may or may not have happened in the past ( I know some people will flame me for this) I would gladly buy from Perry again in a heartbeat.

    This is a guy that’s very accessible. He’s not hiding from anyone. When you buy from him you have full access to his PERSONAL email address, twitter, facebook etc…If you need to get a hold of him or need extra help, he is there to help you personally. He actually does care about his customers and he wants them to be successful. His products are extremely reasonably priced (underpriced). The Get Money from Google program is an absolute steal at $27. I’ve never been so impressed with an internet marketing product and no, I am not personally affiliated with them at all. Nor do I promote their products because it’s just not the business I am in.

    As far as people not getting paid because his assets were frozen (from what I heard the feds seized everything he owned) well, what can I say? It’s unfortunate, but move on. If a two week paycheck is going to keep you in perpetual hatred and stall your life out then you are a sorry individual.

    Perry has admitted that he didn’t go through the proper channels and from what I can tell, he operates with the utmost integrity. All I’ve heard is what’s in the news and from disgruntled employees, both of which are likely to have some spin and/or personal agenda attached to it. He made a mistake – a big mistake – but he seems to have moved on. You all should as well.

80. KenJ | Mar 1, 2009 | Reply

    “Patrick” you must be Perry’s publicist. What a load of hot air you just spewed.

    You said: “As far as people not getting paid…It’s unfortunate, but move on…If a two week paycheck is going to keep you in perpetual hatred and stall your life out then you are a sorry individual.”

    What a pompous, totally OFF BASE comment. Even as a bystander, I still feel for those employees and customers who described their experiences above. They have EVERY RIGHT to make a statement. They were wronged.

    This is obviously NOT just about a “2 week paycheck.” It is about a DUBIOUS business and unscrupulous business practices. If the business had been run in an honest and legitimate fasion, this article would not even EXIST. And those employees and customers would not have any reason to be upset. But since they certainly do have reason, Perry, like anyone convicted of a crime, has to take it on the chin. He chose that outcome by his own actions.

    How long was Perry Belcher in business? How many years did he operate the way he did? Given that, do you think there might have even been other things he did that could have been prosecuted, but were not? One thing you can be sure of is that he did not go downhill overnight. He was prosecuted for MULTIPLE reasons. This means that by that time, he had developed a thick skin, some serious bad habits, and the conscience to live with whatever it took to make his money.

    THAT is the mindset behind the guru you pretend to adulate.

    As far as Perry Belcher’s current visibility, selling methods, and “products,” none of these things justify an instant erasure of what so recently transpired. Only time and future performance will ease that, and certainly not erase it.

    It’s a given that he’d try to make a comeback, but the big question is: can you change a long-established, questionable mindset in just a matter of months? Ask a counselor or therapist what they think if your first reaction is, “sure, no problem.”

    The intelligent observer will watch and wait, and not immediately drink the kool-aid of someone so recently arrested in the very same field in which they seek “advice” and “wisdom.”

81. Bob | Mar 25, 2009 | Reply

    I purchased make money with google from Perry Melcher. I have not started using it, as I am still learning the process. I believe that if a persoson understands the process & applies it, that person can make money. Bob Frances

82. Larry | Mar 28, 2009 | Reply

    Bob, thanks for the commercial for a product you have never used. I have a slightly different belief than you. I believe that in some cases, if a person understands a process and DOESN’T apply it, they can potentially steer clear of the law.

83. John Russo | Mar 29, 2009 | Reply

    This was one amazing justice file story. I watched a video of Perry talking about social marketing.He was very likable and the video was free as well as informative. I searched his name to find the blog and was shocked to see the criminal stories. I read almost every post and went to many sites in order to sort this out.
    To begin I did medical research on a personal level for arthritis, psoriasis and autoimmune disorders. My endeavors were succesfull and I actually healed arthritis, cured a case of hep C and psoriasis as well as growing back hair. This doesn’t make me a doctor and I learned the causes of many illnesses can be from multiple sources hence the dissatisfied customers.
    This next statement is neither in defense of or against Perry. The FDA is not easy to deal with. There are laws that regulate non pharmaceutical drugs and you have to play by the rules. Secondly during my research I learned things about the FDA that makes killers on death row look innocent. You need to have an insiders look at this part of the situation an ex employee.
    Payments and salary. Before the assets were frozen the affiliates were never paid, insurances canceled and employees not paid. Some people can’t understand why we, as an employee who just put in 80 hours would be upset not having any money. The bills still have to get paid and yes it would be nice to buy food.
    MAybe he has learned his lesson and repented for his sins but one things for certain no one who knows his past may ever again have any faith or trust in this person unless it was all a wrong doing on the part of the state. That may be a small part of the picture.

84. Stephanie | Mar 31, 2009 | Reply

    I just heard about this tonight. Very interesting and informative!

85. Ty | Apr 9, 2009 | Reply

    Perry Belcher’s seized property was recently auctioned by the government:

    http://www.419legal.org/blog/2009/03/09/perry-belcher-mr-internet-scam-artists-ownership-sold-at-auction/

86. Ty | Apr 9, 2009 | Reply

    Belcher seizure auction article from newspaper:

    http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/07/bunko-02/

87. Ty | Apr 9, 2009 | Reply

    TV News report on Perry Belcher seizure:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBsS2BbkmlY

88. James | Apr 10, 2009 | Reply

    Did Perry Belcher really just make a little “slip up” as he claims? Or was he really an out-and-out scammer?

    Looks like someone has done some good research which appears to strongly contradict Perry Belcher’s “version” of events leading up to his arrest:

    http://saltydroid.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/the-selmedica-scam-part-1/

    There’s more on that site if you’re curious, but that article says plenty.

89. Mike Young | Apr 10, 2009 | Reply

    Appreciate all the feedback on the Belcher matter posted (pro and con). People can now make an informed decision whether or not to do business with him in the future.

    Equally important, it is a warning of what not to do (unless you’re wanting a criminal record too).

90. Jack | Apr 20, 2009 | Reply

    Perry Belcher is now a so-called “Twitter expert.” Yeah, right.

    He seems to have gathered a large number of Twitter “followers” in a short period of time. Of course, we all know that Perry comes from a mass-market mentality, where everything is a numbers game, and individual interaction gets in the way of big money. So my educated guess is that he’s just using a “mass follow” script to acquire his followers–his stats lean in that direction. That would just be another page from the past…”gaming the system.” Not impressed!

    It also looks like he received some award for “social media accomplishment” which was then quickly retracted when the Austin newspaper discovered his recent run-in with the law:

    http://www.statesman.com/hp/content/news/stories/local/02/21/0221ednote.html

91. RJ | Apr 21, 2009 | Reply

    Here’s a fairly meaty list of Perry Belcher articles for anyone interested:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=perry+belcher+scam&aq=f&oq=

92. John | Apr 22, 2009 | Reply

    Is Perry related to Aricash or Austinresearch?

    Aricash not paying affiliates too, some of my
    friends were not paid as much as $8,000
    affiliate commissions.

    This company should be closed!

    Is anyone here been scammed by Aricash or
    Austinresearch?

93. Mike Young | Apr 22, 2009 | Reply

    John,

    Not familiar with the company.

    However, according to the Maryland Department of Assessments and Taxation, Austin Research Institute, Inc.’s resident agent is GREGORY E. HAINES and has its principal office located at

    1211 WYNSIDE LANE
    HAMPSTEAD, MD 21074

    Best wishes,

    -Mike

94. Dr Daigle | Apr 23, 2009 | Reply

    I can tell you that i know perry and consider him a friend.

    there are always 2 sides to any story, and the media gets paid for creating excitement. consider the well known media maxim “if it bleeds, it leads”. unless you have had a chance to meet perry and hear his side of how it all shook out i would ask you to consider that maybe everything you read or hear on the news just might not be true.

    perry is a great guy, smart as a whip, and very humble.

    my 2 cents

95. Perry was Guilty | Apr 24, 2009 | Reply

    Perry Belcher plead GUILTY to numerous crimes, plain and simple. Now, he wants to “rewrite the truth” and make it look like he was “railroaded” when in fact that was NOT the case. Perry KNOWINGLY broke the law because he was GREEDY and has no moral compass.

    Here’s proof. Take a look at this web page:

    http://saltydroid.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/the-selmedica-scam-part-1/

    In that analysis, it shows that Perry Belcher marketed many, many very DIFFERENT BOGUS “MEDICINES” using the EXACT SAME PHONEY STATISTICAL CLAIMS. In other words, he made up outright LIES and was so lazy he used the SAME LIES for many DIFFERENT bogus medicines.

    Belcher PRAYED ON THE SICK. That’s just cold and heartless. There is NO EXCUSE for that kind of cold blooded behavior, period. What if someone in your family was one of the people who put all their faith and hope in his bogus medicine?

    Anybody who would defend a convicted criminal like Perry Belcher has only two possible motives: either they are a “look the other way” friend/family member, or they are latching onto him to make a buck.

    Nobody in their right mind could study all the above, read the numerous articles, and not see PLAIN AS DAY that Perry Belcher’s conviction was 100% justified. He is now a duly convicted felon and in fact has fully ADMITTED to his crimes. There is no doubt whatsoever.

    Perry Belcher is currently serving 10 YEARS PROBATION. That’s a long time to not get greedy again and do what comes so naturally…

96. news | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

    Perry is currently promoting a new “money making machine” on http://www.#####.com/ and is obviously selling a 27 $ E-Book-Collection which seems very attractive – at first …

97. Reality | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

    Anyone considering buying any of the various Belcher “products” should remember that he has been known to brag about knocking out products in no time at all (or having other people, including just “researchers” slap them together FOR him). In one instance, he claims to have put together and created all the marketing for a particular “get started in **** business” product in just one day. If you’re expecting reliable, quality information from someone with that mentality, think again. If, however, you want to learn how to take shortcuts and take chances, he’s your man.

98. the_truth _behind _the_booth | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

    this guy is guilty I know his company and his company is full of corrupt employee, and they create the content around makati. For me its just malpractice they selling e-books, and etc. just be carefull with this guy.

99. You've really got to question things | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

    On another blog, there is a RECENT video interview with the “now reformed” (?) Perry. In it he talks about his business experience, etc.

    In the comments, someone did a little math to check the accuracy of one of his “truthful business stories.”

    To paraphrase:

    Perry claimed his last year in high school that he bought and resold “snip tag” shirts in his small Kentucky town. (Snip tag means name brand shirts where they have removed the name tag and liquidate them cheap.)

    Perry said he made $75,000 (at a profit of $13 each) that last year in high school with these snip tag shirts.

    The hilarious part of the comment is where the commentor brought up the aspect of this story that makes it virtually impossible to believe:

    “So in 1982 he moved 5700 POLO shirts in a town of 20,000 blue collar Kentuckians?”

    You just HAVE to laugh at the absurdity.

100. the_truth _behind _the_booth | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

     Come on FYI not “FOR YOUR INFORMATION” IT MEANS “**** YOU *****” YOUR ALWAYS DEFENSE ON HIM how much he give you salary, are you the family of perry, haahahahaa don’t change the topic, the topic here he’s selling a fake products and internet fraud.

101. Mike Young | Apr 27, 2009 | Reply

     To the_truth _behind _the_booth

     Please be civil. No need to be vulgar to make your point. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation.

     -Mike

102. the_truth_behind_the_booth | Apr 28, 2009 | Reply

     Being civil according to you, is just easy money. For whatever ways and means. As long as you make money. That’s your man? Anyways, as long as you getting paid why not.

103. the_truth_behind_the_booth | Apr 28, 2009 | Reply

     Hi. JakeFake. As your name stands for..faking information. How could you hire a person that was faking their resumes? Are you questioning their credibility in hiring personnels? For your info that is very uncommon sense suggestion or opinion that i’ve been heared in my entire life. Hiring people is the most serious operation in the company. For all you know sir, only in the philippines you can do your lousy business. By the way, how much did they pay you?

104. Perry Belcher Video | Apr 28, 2009 | Reply

     This video says it all:

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWvk2_KRSA

105. Mike Young | Apr 28, 2009 | Reply

     To: the_truth_behind_the_booth

     Don’t understand your accusation about easy money.

     As for “your man,” that’s a joke. I don’t (and won’t) represent Belcher.

     The request to be civil was because you were using 4-letter words on my blog. Nothing more. Nothing less.

     -Mike

106. Len | May 29, 2009 | Reply

     Has anybody else noticed how Perry Belcher is now littering the internet with a VAST number of insignificant “filler” blogs? Search his name and you’ll see he’s really dumping it all out there.

     Why is he doing this? There can only be one reason:

     Obviously, he’s NONE TOO HAPPY that people are able to find out about his criminal past through a simple google search. And he’s trying to overwhelm these legitimate google listings with his own junk blog listings. There is really no other logical explanation. He’s attempting to “brute force” the truth out of plain view.

     It’s a good thing this blog (thank you Mike!) is maintaining a good listing position and presents the REAL truth.

     This all seems classic Perry Belcher. From gaming the sick with fake medicine, to gaming twitter by automated acquisition of mass “followers,” to trying to game google with his trivial junk blogs, Perry Belcher is one SLY individual. A changed man? Don’t bet on it.

     There’s absolutely NO WAY a convicted felon with his track record has reformed overnight, and his current operational style should easily convince any observer that he absolutely has NOT.

107. freedom pundit | May 30, 2009 | Reply

     Not all his remedies were BS… he copied some from small herbal companies that had some things going well. The difference being that the small herbal companies were very customer oriented, while Perry’s methods were purely for profit. From my point of view, he took a good product, doubled the price, then advertised way beyond what a small company could do. He had a bad rating with the BBB early on. My biz is still small and I drive a 10 yr old truck but have happy customers, and an A+ rating with BBB! Good riddance to bad competition, I always knew he’d get what he deserved. Money ain’t everything, I still have my pride in what I do.

108. Mike Young | May 30, 2009 | Reply

     Len,

     Belcher is engaged in search engine reputation management. Unless the filler blogs get Google slapped, he’ll accomplish what he wants to do.

     What I find funny are those people who think he’s doing this (and Twitter) by himself instead of using cheap outsourced labor and automated software for content generation.

     Best wishes,

     -Mike

109. Mike Young | May 30, 2009 | Reply

     Pundit,

     Nothing wrong with profit. Money is a very useful tool. The problem with some Internet marketers is that they adopt a get-rich-quick mentality and greed overcomes ethics. The customer is valued only to the extent can be fleeced.

     Best wishes,

     -Mike

110. Len | May 30, 2009 | Reply

     Mike: you hit the nail on the head with your last comment. Many people really believe (falsely) they have some “long distance relationship” with Belcher by virtue of his one-way “personal” blogging and twittering operation. The only relationship they REALLY have is with his robo-content providers & automation setup. It is ALL an illusion. Belcher even went so far as to post his “personal” gmail address and “personal” phone number (aka permanent VOICE MAIL) to further extend the illusion. P.T. Barnum would LOVE this internet!

     Pundit: Actually, Belcher’s “remedies” WERE B.S. in that his claims/stats far exceeded their true capabilities. (And it doesn’t really matter if something offers some limited side benefit when it does NOT live up to its primary claim.) Belcher was a blatant, long-time (not accidental) fraudster, and there is irrefutable proof of this available right now on the internet. (A first-hand record of his own activities.) It was NOT the result of overzealous government as Belcher claims. Now, he’s even posted a ridiculously dismissive “spin” video online where he actually infers that once you have money, you automatically become a target of the government. IF that were true, why wouldn’t they have gone after bigger supplement sellers who were around long before he was and still are? If Belcher really was turning over a new leaf, he could start with accepting responsibility for what he REALLY did. He hasn’t. Probably because he is not capable of it, nor of playing by society’s rules.

     Belcher used the SAME, *identical* (and outrageous) statistics for DIFFERENT bogus medicines. Go find the “Salty Droid” blog link above that references Belcher’s company, “Selmedica.” You will quickly see that not only was he a dyed-in-the-wool scam artist, but a lazy one at that. That post contains Belcher’s OWN fraudulent claims, all laid-out in sequence, for easy fraud detection. It’s an eye-opener.

     What is also absolutely appalling and disappointing is the number of so-called internet marketing “gurus” who are aligning themselves with Belcher in order to line their own pockets. Consider this: Belcher scammed for YEARS; he was JUST convicted; he didn’t actually stop his criminal activities UNTIL he was caught; and he’s still playing sly marketing tricks on the public to hawk his marginal obviousware. And he’s SOMEHOW instantly reformed? Implausible. Surely his probation officer will return from lunch break soon and/or learn to use the internet. Prediction: the scorpion will eventually return to doing what comes naturally. It probably wouldn’t be good to have him riding on your back when that happens.

111. Freedom Pundit | May 31, 2009 | Reply

     Nothing wrong with making an HONEST dollar, or even a million or two. Just saying those who are dishonest make it rough on the rest of us. Not all herbal remedies are bogus, but the industry has suffered because of Perry and people like him. There are actually traditional herbalists that do care about their customers and there are herbal medicines that work better than what Big Pharma offers. It is always a good idea to check the BBB.org web site before ordering online. That is where I first learned about him when I was thinking about becoming an affiliate.

     I’ve never met him, but it seems like he’s some kind of cult leader personality type. A legend in his own mind. Hopefully for most of us, he is an example of what not to do.

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